Monday, February 05, 2007

Kyoto Motion Passes Tories vote against it

Today the motion to re-affirm Canada's commitment to the Kyoto accord passed the House of Commons but was voted down by the Tories. Certainly this will make people question how genuine the Tories new found enthusiasm for the environment really is. At the same time I am enough of a realist to know the chances of meeting our targets are very low. We certainly could have met them, but we waited too late. It reminds me of when in school, I was aiming for 80%, but going into the final worth 50% of my grade and only having 60% average up to that point. That meant I had to get 100% on the exam, which is not very realistic. That being said, we should still continue to remain committed to Kyoto accord even if we won't meet our targets since we should get as close as possible. In addition if Harper were smart on this, he would promise that however far off our targets we are, we will agree to reductions that are that much greater in the second round. That means if we are 10% off, we agree to reductions that are 10% larger than others. Off course I fear that Harper is amongst the more ideological elements of conservatives who think doing anything on the environment will destroy our economy and that we should therefore do nothing. Thankfully not all right of centre politicians buy this argument. Arnold Schwartznegger, British Conservative leader David Cameron, Brian Mulroney and surprisingly even Preston Manning have argued we need to get serious on the environment. Off course I suspect Harper is more interested in listening to people such as Bush, Cheney, Ezra Levant, John Howard, and the more reactionary elements at the Fraser Institute who want us to do nothing.

There has also been a lot of criticism of those who deny the science behind global warming. I think their arguments are weak and I don't agree with it, but since science has been wrong before, I still think they have the right to make their case. I just hope that politicians don't use them as an excuse to do nothing. We cannot be 100% certain of the future, but with the evidence saying it is 90% certain humans are at least playing a role if not the main cause of global warming, we would be silly to do nothing. In fact the short-term cost of doing something is far less than the long-term cost of doing nothing. I would rather we do something and later find out it wasn't necessary, then do nothing and suffer the severe consequences. So even if you don't believe the science or are uncertain, I would argue that unless you are positive global warming isn't occurring (which I don't know how anybody can be) you have no basis for arguing for doing nothing. Even if there was only a 10% chance of it happening, I would still want the government to take action.

That being said I must say here in Toronto it has been downright cold the last week and we could probably use a little global warming here. It has been -15 without the windchill and -30 with it. Off course people were out on the golf course on New Years Day here, so even though global warming won't mean the end of frigid cold temperatures on some winter days, it will mean more above seasonal days, weeks, months, and years than below seasonal. Perhaps maybe it would be best if temperatures just stayed close to seasonal norms instead of going all over the map as they appear to be now.

9 Comments:

Blogger Monkey Loves to Fight said...

Hearhere - No actually we can choose not to buy credits from other countries to and instead opt for harsher targets in the second round to compensate for not meeting our targets in the first round. This is the method I would prefer we take.

I don't think our targets we are reasonable had we taken action starting in 1997. It was the fact we waited until 2005 before developing any plan that made the targets unreachable. Most EU countries will meet their targets.

8:49 PM  
Blogger D said...

My favorite part about the new anti-Kyoto rant is that we will never reach the targets even if we started today and had enough money.

That's like saying there's no point in the Millenium Development Goals (MDGs) because we'll never cut absolute poverty in half by 2015 because there is far too much bad governance in the developing world and it's not worth our time.

Except, it is. Why? Because in trying to reach the Kyoto targets or the MDGs it's not like completing a survey - it's only good when the whole thing is filled in.

The point of the Kyoto protocol is to PUSH nations to reach their highest goals. Nations who take it seriously (like the Scandinavian countries) take great pride in knowing that they've accomplished this and that it is doing some collective good. It's not only an international benchmark but its a way of concretely reducing global greenhouse gasses.

Secondly, why would we give away our tax credits to China or Russia? Why not sell them to a country who is truly developing and use it as a form of ODA? Like South Africa, or Sri Lanka?

They have carbon credits too, and they would use that money to stimulate their economies - which are not powered by coal and oil production. It would most likely go towards debt repayment and or stimulation in agriculture (this should be the case in Africa).

I too used to be a skeptic of the Kyoto protocol, but in reality - the CPC has nothing of a viable alternative. If they did, surely they would produce it.

Infact, they had since 1998 to come forward with some sort of alternative. And yet... pecimism is their counter-Kyoto.

11:16 PM  
Blogger BL said...

Miles, Dylan, both of you totally miss the point.

The Liberals signed on to Kyoto. Did that mean that our GHG emissions went down? Did their signature on a piece of paper mean anything in the end in terms of results?

You both know full well that the answer is NO. Our emissions went way up.

And yet, in the US, which has never ratified Kyoto, their emissions increases were only half as bad as ours.

What that means is that the Liberals' signing onto Kyoto is worthless. If you will excuse my French, it means jack shit.

If the Liberals' were actually driven by concern about climate change and the environment, they'd be working to get the Clean Air Act amended, out of committee and passed as soon as possible. Instead, they're stalling.

And they're stalling because they know they can't risk Harper getting any credit for doing anything constructive on this subject. Because they would effectively lose it as a weapon to attack Harper with come election time.

So instead, they pass some phoney motion that does absolutely nothing so they can point their fingers at the Tories and scream bloody murder about them being against Kyoto, because they know most Canadians haven't read the fine print and don't realize just how utterly flawed it is.

This is all done to of course get back into power, in which case Dion will have to either tell the Canadian people to stop driving their cars and powering their homes, or break his word on meeting the Kyoto targets.

But what would he care about breaking his word when he's back in power anyway? After all, that's what this is all about.

And we all know it.

12:53 AM  
Blogger Monkey Loves to Fight said...

Dylan - I am not keen on the idea of sending money overseas to buy credits to meet our Kyoto targets. I would rather each party leader commit in writing that we will do our best to meet our targets and however much we miss them by, we will agree to more aggressive targets in the second round. I was too an initial skeptic, but now is the time for action not more debate.

Brandon - The Liberals may have done of lousy job, but the Tories are using that as an excuse for inaction. The reason the Liberals aren't trying to amend the bill is it is completely flawed and is nothing but a PR exercise. In addition the Liberals want to get back into power ASAP not because of arrogance, but because their vision of Canada is so different than Harper's and they cannot let him continue in his direction much longer. Had Joe Clark or Bill Davis or some Red Tory been PM, I don't think the Liberals would be as eager to return to power since at least the policies wouldn't be radically different than their own and more importantly they would represent the middle of the Canadian spectrum, not appeasing the conservative base who represent 30% of Canadians, but are rejected by the remaining 70%.

4:55 AM  
Blogger BL said...

Tories are using that as an excuse for inaction

You know full well that that's false.

1:03 PM  
Blogger Monkey Loves to Fight said...

Brandon - Quit putting words in my mouth. I am saying how it see it and I see the Clean Air Act as a complete joke and doing nothing.

3:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Had Joe Clark or Bill Davis or some Red Tory been PM, I don't think the Liberals would be as eager to return to power since at least the policies wouldn't be radically different than their own and more importantly they would represent the middle of the Canadian spectrum, not appeasing the conservative base who represent 30% of Canadians, but are rejected by the remaining 70%.

That would likely result in a new Reform-style party being created. Those 30% would be alienated...

5:17 AM  
Blogger Monkey Loves to Fight said...

Anonymous - It may lead to another Reform Party being created, but there are far more Canadians in the middle than on the right so it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. The reason the split happened in the 90s is in 1993 people were so fed up with the Tories it wouldn't have mattered whether the right split or not, they were going to be turfed no matter what. The Progressive Conservatives never recovered from the 1993 disaster, but to blame the split on the right doesn't stand up to the facts. Every single credible poll showed by at least a 2 to 1 if not 3 to 1 margin, Progressive Conservatives had the Liberals as opposed to the Reform/Alliance as their second choice. In fact some polls showed there were more Progressive Conservatives who had the NDP as their second choice than Reform/Alliance.

Today on the other hand, despite losing the last election, there are many centrist who would gladly vote for another option if existed. In addition the only place I think you would see the new Reform Party gain traction is Alberta which is going to elect a right wing party no matter what so the two parties could always form a coalition if they needed to, without accepting their hardline policies.

7:23 PM  
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