Wednesday, September 24, 2008

Why I still support Dion

As the polls have shown the Liberals to continuously struggle and many suggesting at the moment the Liberals may fall below 28% (that is their worse showing ever in terms of popular vote, which happened in 1984), so many people are questioning whether Dion was the right choice. I know many people not involved in politics who have views very similiar to what Dion espouses, yet refuse to vote for him since they somehow believe he is a weak leader. As someone who follows politics closely, the problem with Dion, is not what he stands for, the problem is he does a poor job of selling it. In fact if people would actually listen to his speeches and read his platform, I believe he would be doing much better. Anyways here is why regardless of opinion polls, I plan to vote Liberal and not just to stop Stephen Harper, but actually to vote for Stephane Dion.

Stephane Dion is a leader

Contrary to popular position, Stephane Dion has shown that he is a true leader, not a weak leader as the Tory ads portray. What is ironic is the whole weak leader idea was started by the Tories, yet somehow people bought into it. After all, your political opponents are rarely going to say nice things about you and that is about the last place one should look for an honest opinion on someone. However, the reason why I believe he is a leader is his introduction and defence of the clarity act as intergovernmental affairs minister. Back in 1995, the Yes side nearly won a referendum in Quebec, yet a full 1/3 of Yes voters thought Quebec would still remain part of Quebec in the event of Yes victory due to the convuloted question. As someone who put his country first, Dion wanted to make sure this would never happen again. He introduced the clarity act which stated Quebec could only separate with a clear question and a clear majority. The Quebec media ridiculed him to great lengths but he stood his ground and in the end succeeded. Today separtism is at an all time low and even so much that the Bloc and PQ have put the idea of another referendum on the back burner. This is an example of a true leader, not a weak leader.

Stephane Dion is a centrist

Harper has gone to great lengths to argue that under Dion, the Liberals have taken a dramatic shift to the left and are socialists in disguise. This is again totally untrue and anyone who bothered to read their platform and also read the NDP would realize the differences between the two parties are just as stark as they are between the Conservatives and Liberals. If Dion were really as left wing as Harper says he is, I would have torn up my Liberal membership card in an instant, however, I know full well this is not the case. Dion favours both corporate and income tax cuts, hardly a socialist policy. He favours helping low income parents with childcare, not a full blown childcare program like Martin proposed. He has stated unequovically we will have a balanced budget even if it means spending cuts, again hardly a hallmark of a socialist. In fact ironically, his policies are very similiar to other conservative leaders abroad such as Angela Merkel in Germany and David Cameron in Britain, neither who anyone would describe as socialist. Likewise, his platform is one that I could easily see a Red Tory from the former Progressive Conservatives supporting. True, those on the centre-left would also agree with much of the platform, but I suspect the ideologues on both the left and right would find it tough to stomach, which is off course a good thing in my view. I lived under a socialist government in the 90s in BC, so I know what a socialist government is like and Dion is not even remotely similiar to one. In BC politics, he would be closer to Gordon Campbell than Carole James although still to the left of Gordon Campbell.

Liberals have the best platform

Forget about the ten second sound bytes and front page news, if you want to see who would be the best person to run the country, the best thing to do is to read the party platform and check out the party website. There are many Liberal policies I disagree with, as no party perfectly matches my views, however on the whole I feel their policies are well reasoned and balanced. More importantly, they are made based on what works best, not on some populist slogan or as others have done based on what side of the spectrum they fall on. In fact, I get the impression Dion is the only leader who ignores the whole idea of whether an idea is a "right wing" or "left wing" idea and instead looks at whether it is a "good idea" or "bad idea". Now some may say it is great to make great long speeches and have good articles, but if you want to sell something you need to do it in ten second bytes. While that maybe the case regretably, I think that is unfortunate and is certainly not what will influence how I vote. When buying a new house, you don't take just a minute looking through, you spend a whole day looking through several carefully and likewise when buying a new car, you test drive each one, not just look at the exterior. When choosing the next PM, one should look carefully at each party's platform. There is no reason why one cannot spare 10 minutes to read the party platform.

So while it is looking increasingly likely that Dion will not win the next election (although still possible), I will still happily vote for him as I believe he would make the best PM of the choices available.

15 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

As someone who follows politics closely, the problem with Dion, is not what he stands for, the problem is he does a poor job of selling it. In fact if people would actually listen to his speeches and read his platform, I believe he would be doing much better.

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What is with you Liberals that you just can't understand that people have heard Dion, and just don't buy what he is selling? Is that such a hard concept to grasp? Are you so wrapped up in your red little world that you cannot possibly fathom that? Dion spent the whole sumer blaring his Green Shift to the nation, and still, STILL Liberals like you blather on that the people just don't want to give him the time of day. Why can't you just accept the fact that your leader is a loser? Before the Canadian Alliance joined with the Tories, they kicked out Stokwell Day because he couldn't cut it. Is it some genetic imperative that a Liberal leader cannot possibly be a bad leader? What is wrong with you guys?

6:19 PM  
Blogger Goldenhawk said...

Hey Miles,

I think you mean "a full 1/3 of Yes voters thought Quebec would still remain part of Canada in the event of Yes victory due to the convuloted question".

Other than that, I agree with the post. It's unfortunate that we haven't been able to publicize the Green Shift properly and have been facing a hostile media (If any Conservative thinks CTV, the Globe and Mail, and even half the columnists in the Star aren't in the tank for them, I don't know what they think is favorable). As for Dion being a weak leader, here in Ontario our last two long-term premiers lost their first election before people bought in to what they were selling. You might know their names, Mike Harris and Dalton McGuinty?

6:39 PM  
Blogger Eugene Forsey Liberal said...

Well said.

6:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Today separtism is at an all time low and even so much that the Bloc and PQ have put the idea of another referendum on the back burner. This is an example of a true leader, not a weak leader."

Talk of Separatism being down and the decline of influence by the Bloc and PQ has occured under Harper's watch.

6:50 PM  
Blogger WesternGrit said...

STOP looking at polls already... Last Nanos poll (yesterday) had us down in the 20's... now today they have us in a dead heat (36-35%)...

Just get out and ID some vote. There are weeks left, and we have progress to make... There are so, so, so many close races in this election that even 1 vote WILL make a difference.

Let's get out the vote!

Oh... and please send money - to the party - not me...

7:07 PM  
Blogger Monkey Loves to Fight said...

Lycan Stark - Actually most economists argue the Green Shift is a good idea. It involves higher taxes on pollution, but those who pollute less, will pay less taxes not more. I am not someone who blindly supports the leader. Also the Green party who is gaining the most supports an even steeper carbon tax while having smaller income and corporate taxes.

Goldenhawk - I agree with your assessment. I would add in fact Harper's first election was a struggle as he had to fight the whole hidden agenda thing. Generally speaking, most leaders don't win their first time around, but those who stay around for a second try have a good track record of winning unless it is a third party like the NDP.

Trevor - The Bloc Quebecois was polling as low as it is now before adscam erupted, in fact all we have seen is a return to pre-adscam numbers.

Westergrit - I agree door knocking and fighting hard is an important thing although I don't recall Nanos showing us tied. If you could provide me with a link that would be great. I think he showed us tied in Ontario, not nationally. In fact on his website, it is 37% Tories and 26% Liberals today. I am not saying the Liberals cannot win, far from it, but it will be hard fight and any Liberal thinking we are near winning is being delusional. If we realize how difficult it is, we can roll up our sleeves and do it, but if we think it will happen without major changes, it won't happen.

7:19 PM  
Blogger Goldenhawk said...

Hello Miles,

This is the poll showing deadlock:

http://www.nikonthenumbers.com/topics/show/53

7:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

westerngrit..where did you get those numbers, today the Liberals were at 26 and the Cons at 37 or so.

8:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Trevor - The Bloc Quebecois was polling as low as it is now before adscam erupted, in fact all we have seen is a return to pre-adscam numbers."

I don't know what the poll numbers were but I remember the Bloc being the official opposition in Ottawa and the PQ being the government in Quebec. Adscam certainly didn't help things though.

@goldenhawk
Those poll numbers are from 2007

8:23 PM  
Blogger Monkey Loves to Fight said...

Goldenhawk - Thanks for the link. I was hoping this was actually true, although when I saw the comments, I realized it was an older poll.

Anonymous - I think Goldenhawk was simply referring to the poll Westerngrit was referring to. It is a bit confusing since at the top of the page it gives today's date, but when you read through the comments sections and look at the dates posted there it is clear it is an old one. I think the top of the page always gives today's date.

Trevor - I am referring to 2003, when the Liberals were well ahead in Quebec and the Bloc Quebecois lost a string of by-elections in supposedly safe ridings such as Levis et chutes de la Chaudiere (now Conservative), Temiscamingue. In 2003, I believe the Liberals were at 55% in Quebec, while the Bloc Quebecois in the low 30s. This is also when Charest beat the PQ. Never mind in 1998, Charest did win the popular vote and also in 2000 the Liberals got more votes in Quebec than the BQ, but fewer seats due to the distribution of the votes.

9:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here is today's NANOS poll:

http://www.nanosresearch.com/election/CPAC-Nanos-September-24-2008E.pdf

There is no second run for fourth place Stephane if he continues to lag behind the NDP (18% - 14%) in Quebec.

Selling the message requires the right people in the War Room and right people leading your provincial teams. Unfortunately, one needs some additional help and the other needs to be replaced.

Nationwide, how low can we go with the right leader and the right plan? With the Bloc surge in Quebec and NDP surge in B.C., 4th place lower.

1:30 AM  
Blogger M-A said...

This is probably not fair to Stéphane Dion, but you almost get the feeling that the team behind him, or most MPs are not really behind him at all. They will say otherwise in front of the cameras obviously, but you really get that sense that they are doing the absolute minimum.

Stéphane Dion is probably a good man, but so was Joe Clark and John Tory.

8:40 AM  
Blogger BL said...

However, the reason why I believe he is a leader is his introduction and defence of the clarity act as intergovernmental affairs minister. Back in 1995, the Yes side nearly won a referendum in Quebec, yet a full 1/3 of Yes voters thought Quebec would still remain part of Quebec in the event of Yes victory due to the convuloted question. As someone who put his country first, Dion wanted to make sure this would never happen again. He introduced the clarity act which stated Quebec could only separate with a clear question and a clear majority.

By that logic, Harper must also be a leader, since he put forward a bill with essentially the same purpose as the Clarity Act three years earlier.

In fact, that would seem to suggest that Dion and Chretien were following Harper's leadership, again indicating that Harper is a leader.

Sure, Dion deserves credit for standing his ground on the issue. But so does Harper for putting the idea forward in the first place.

3:13 PM  
Blogger Monkey Loves to Fight said...

Marc Andre - I agree Dion faces the problem of the team not being fully united behind him. I think unfortunately during the 90s, the Liberals took winning for granted and got sloppy and they haven't fully adjusted to the fact they will not win automatically. The reality is while the leader is very important, they need a strong team behind them.

Brandon - I don't disagree that Harper is not a leader, I am simply saying Dion is one. Besides I think Harper is a leader, but not the right type for Canada. Just because one is leader doesn't mean they should be PM, especially if they have policies that I don't agree with.

5:26 PM  
Blogger TM said...

Hey Miles,

I could not agree more that Dion is a leader, and my own opinion is that he is the best choice by far for our country right now. But, I also need to say that Canadians don't seem to care - they are happy to swallow Harper's sweater and the sound bites, amidst unprecedented control of a PMO's relationship with the media, a great stride backwards for democracy.

My own take on this election? If you don't want to see a majority Reform government (have no delusions about who is really running here, new party name tags aside), I would seriously consider strategic vote trading across ridings - I don’t know the website address - but apparently folks are trying to "trade" votes across Canada in the hopes of getting ABH in.

In Alberta, where it is like swimming against a tsunami not to vote REFORM (yes, that's who they really are), there are 2 Greens and 2 Liberal votes in the house, and our riding is one of 2 or 3 province wide which is thought to have a chance in eternity of not going with Harper. So I will just pray that our Greens see the light and go Liberal so we can keep one ray of sanity shining beside the tar sands out here in Forever Tory Land.

A fan of your blog,

TM

7:11 PM  

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